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[personal profile] keiramarcos

I could spend a whole year talking about the fetishizing of men in fandom because it is wide spread and it leads to some truly ugly behavior on the parts of fans. It breeds contempt for show creators and sometimes obsessions with actors that can and have gotten dangerously out of hand. Actors sometimes get melded with the characters they play in a fan’s mind, and that can lead to the fan believing they know them in very intimate ways when it simply isn’t true.

One of the most distressing things I see in fandom is the objectification of the real people who play the characters we love. I can’t really do anything about the problem but I notice it, and it’s often utterly appalling. I want to just lose my shit sometimes and point out—hey, that’s a fucking human being you’re talking about there. He’s not some puppet you can play around with like a goddamned toy.

You probably think it doesn’t matter what you think in your head or what you put on Tumblr regarding an actor or actress. You think it’s perfectly okay to write a fic about Joe Flanigan and David Hewlett cheating on their wives/girlfriends/families because you’re just writing fiction. It’s not hurting anything. Except they both have children and one day one of those kids might stumble across your fucked up little short story about their dad cheating on their mom, and of course, because you’re an asshole you’ve made sure to insult and degrade their mother as much as possible to justify the cheating. I’m sure that’s going to be a fun conversation for everyone involved.

Explicit sex in fan fiction plays a role in objectification, and I acknowledge this. I’ve always known that there is a subset of people who only read my work for the sex. They make it clear in their comments and in specifically in the parts of my stories they remember. I once saw a “find a fic” request on an LJ community that outlined five sex scenes and not a single plot point. All they remembered was the sex. It wasn’t my story they were looking for, but more than one person suggested that I might be the author of this missing fic. I’m glad I wasn’t. I felt let down and terrible for the author it was though because one person after another on that thread would comment about having read the fic. Not a single one of them mentioned a plot point or a bit of characterization that wasn’t sex.

I knew the story they were looking for—it was a beautiful piece of work with excellent characterization and an engrossing plot that was utterly breathtaking. I never commented on that thread with the answer because I wanted no part of the conversation. I think it took six or seven weeks for someone to provide a link. I don’t want to discuss the title or author here because it’s not fair to her or her work. That thread on that fic finders community wasn’t fair to her work either. But it did highlight something I’d noticed about a few readers on my site. The sex stood out for them. Specifically, the gay sex stood out for them, and nothing else was really important.

Early on, I had to figure out where my hard line was regarding objectification in my fandom work. I decided that I would write about characters, not actors. I don’t read or write “real person fiction” as a result. For example, John Sheppard is a character—a fictional person who exists in the Stargate fandom that I know well. Joe Flanigan is a real person—he has a family and a personal life that is none of my business. I don’t know him at all, and honestly, I have no interest in knowing him. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but I’m not here for Joe Flanigan. I’m in the Stargate fandom for John Sheppard.




Date: 2017-08-27 09:59 am (UTC)
esteefee: (col_kitty)
From: [personal profile] esteefee
holy shit preach. I am 100% into John Sheppard, intergalactic space puppy, and his adventures with his geniusy boyfriend Dr Dr Rodney McKay, and the other vastly excellent people of their acquaintance too awesome to count. That's what I'm here for. I don't want to know the actors. I do hope they have long and happy lives, but that's none of my business.

And I can't tell you how many times I have labored, labored over a story, been so proud to put out something I felt was positively unique and interesting, only to have someone comment "omg so scorching hot!!" I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for every comment in this day of kudos, but ouch.

You have hit the nail bang.

Date: 2017-08-27 11:07 am (UTC)
esteefee: (col_kitty)
From: [personal profile] esteefee
:((((( seriously. and it's not like you write 50K of them shopping for candles. You have a talent for making wonderful shit happen (and monstrously cool world-building) so you'd think they could pluck like one concept out of all of that to comment on instead of "oooh hot smut!"

Date: 2017-08-27 10:13 pm (UTC)
esteefee: (amanda)
From: [personal profile] esteefee
wow, yeah. the voices are kind of insidious, tho. I kind of think of it like, as I write my story, I'm sharing it in my head with a really smart friend who finds me hilarious and awesome, and the smarter and funnier *they* are, the better the story gets, because it's a secret awesome...but then sometimes there are these hecklers who crowd in with stupid comments like that one?

I hate that.

Date: 2017-08-28 05:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tabakat
Don't you dare worry about posting Courting Hermonie Granger or any fic. It's awesome, it happens to be one of my favorites. Indian I had a daughter to make read it, to illustrate to her how she should expect to be treated!!!!. I'm not going to be a bigot or a hypocrite and say I don't love your sex scenes or haven't read something for those on occasion. But the characters have to have a emotion history for it to work for me and I actually more likely buy a good children's book. Good stor, less potholes, because kids spot those a fracking State away and are NOT forgiving as a hot romance. I love your stuff because of the great story. The hot sex scenes are just extra you should not feel hesitant for not providing if you don't want to. And now I'm going to hide I am not at all sure this makes sense cold meds are getting to me.

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