Fandom Cliches

[keiramarcos]

I was over on A03 browsing fan fic and I got bored so I came over here to bitch about it.


Cliches I hate:

1. When Spock is a smug, vicious asshole who calls Kirk a slut like it's a bad thing instead of being awesome because James T. Kirk put the AWESOME in "manwhore". It is stunning how often this happens in Star Trek (especially in the Abbrams 'verse and Kirk just CRIES about it. Fuck that!)
2. Daddy/Boy kinks. LIke -- hmm, Snape/Kid!Harry or just when one character is older and the other is under the age of 18 and it becomes this weird, gross mentor-sexual relationship. I really hate it.
3. When in a pairing (no matter the pairing) there is a "definite bottom" and that bottom is called submissive. That fucking implies that ANYONE who gets a cock shoved in them is submissive. I've got news for anyone who fucking thinks that -- I get dick regularly thrust enthusiastically into my body and I'm not submissive.
4. When one of the male characters in a slash pairing is feminized to the point that he acts like a 15 year old girl. Girl-With-A-Dick Syndrome really fucking OLD. How many times can Blair Sandburg sob like a little girl because big, heroic Jim Ellison isn't there to make him feel safe and comfortable before I stab myself in the goddamned forehead? Really. How many fucking times?
5. Incest. I'm not sure if this can be considered a cliche unless you're smack dab in the middle of the Supernatural or Numb3rs fandom or Thor fucking help you -- the Avengers/Marvel fandom. I'm really tired of getting blindsided by INCEST. Really fucking tired of it! I've even seen incest in fandoms where the characters aren't actually related in canon but the author MAKES them related for the sole Thordamned purpose of writing INCEST. Which, okay, once I read an SGA fic where that happened but the two characters weren't raised as brothers and while incest is still wrong, wrong, wrong --- and they fucked before they knew they were brothers... and yeah, they kept fucking after they knew. So, hmmm... whatever. There is nothing sexy or hot about incest and I'm sorry (not really) if that hurts your feelings or offends you. In my personal opinion, it is disgusting and wrong and please for the love of Thor -- would you please label your fucking incest!fic so I don't accidently start reading it? Also, I'm including Thor/Loki in this-- they were raised as brothers -- their love should be BROTHERLY.

Cliches I love

1. Evil Weasleys. LOL. I don't know why I can't explain it. I love it. I also love Weasley bashing which I do know why because I hate Ron. I mean I used to like him but the further the books progressed the more I hated that arrogant little twat. I blame JK Rowling for that. I can read AUs where Harry and Ron end up together but nothing based on pure canon. It just doesn't make sense to me that Harry and Ron would even be friends. Also, I'll never believe that Hermione should marry him. She's too smart to marry such an idiot. Seriously.
2. Evil Dumbledore. In canon is manipulative old goat so it isn't much of a stretch to make him evil just based on his canon actions. He's a batty old wizard with delusions of justice that are just morally corrupt on a level that is just astonishing. 
3. Suit porn in the Inception fandom. The thing is that Arthur wears far more casual clothes in the movie than he does a suit. The thing is that he looks fucking AWESOME in a suit and it sticks with you. That scene where he's being a GQ-BAMF just rocks my boat. 
4. Incompetent, stupid Jennifer Keller. I'm probably KNOWN for my Keller bashing. That's okay because, you know what -- It's true. I can't stand her character. She was poorly written and I'll never understand how anyone could think that a girl like her could hold McKay's attention long term. Carter or even Elizabeth I can see -- (though Tori had a maternal vibe that ruined her sex appeal for shipping in SGA in my opinion).
5. Pon Farr. LOL. I love Pon Farr fic. Lordy, it makes me so happy. 

What cliches do you hate and love?

Comments

[ladyholder.livejournal.com]

I think I agree with yours...

Hates:

(1)Having one character being the class clown & thus unable of being competent. See NCIS for the Tony bashing that happens. Sorry, canon might do it, but can you *really* see Gibbs keeping a moron on staff?

(2) Most of the fics I read are written by women. So why are we having strong women being written as wusses? See any fandom for examples, please.

(3) Magical healing cocks. Sorry, Keira, you missed this one. And as nice as cocks are, they are not the wonder healing rod of destiny. So, yeah. Skip please! Stargate has this one.


Likes:

(1) Totally competent people who kick ass, take names & NO ONE expects it. Voracity's Xander Harris fits this one a lot, plus Phil Coulson in The Avengers.

(2) Unexpected kid!fic. Oh, this can be so much fun to watch them flail. What Might Have Been anyone?

(3) The guilty pleasure... Well written MPreg. I can read the Alpha!/Omega! stuff and enjoy it, but yeah, the Ancients being fucking assholes is a total win too.

Hmmm... Those are about all I can think of at this time.

~L

P.S. Keira? Have you seen the new tablet from Google?
http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7

[keiramarcos]

I don't know... I'm pretty sure John Sheppard's cock is magical (smirk)

[syble4.livejournal.com]

You pretty much covered all of my most hated list.

On the 'love' list I have to add for me:

Mpreg - I know, I know, and I don't know why I love it, but I do. I guess it's my kink. lol

Bonding fic - Any type of character bonding - from Sentinel/Guide types of fics to just a mental or physical connection. Can't seem to get enough of these.

[stormwolf-dawn7.livejournal.com]

I love bonding fic! Its the only reason I read het stories in a few fandoms because of Imzadi and Rayne fic. (For those not in the know Imzadi is Riker/Troi from STTNG and Rayne is River/Jayne from Firefly) Sentinel totally got me hooked on bonding fic!

And I love MPREG especially eggfic in Supernatural. Again Sentinel got me hooked on MPREG's but Supernatural makes it even easier to love because of the angel's!

[djaddict.livejournal.com]

Cliches I hate:

1. All Slytherins are irredeemably evil. (I think it's a cliche anyway).
2. Your #'s 3, 4 and 5 lol

Not really many others. Sadly, I love cliches.

Cliches I Love:

1. Your numbers 1&2, totally. I especially love Ron and Ginny bashing. Ron because he was so often a jealous prat and Ginny because I just HATE the two of them as a pairing. I like to think that Rowling would have put Harry with Luna if she thought about it a little more. Dumbledore bashing is just logical (and really, really fun). He's a manipulative chessplayer even in canon.

2. Snape or Lucius with underage Harry, or Chan as it is popularly called (Why?) (Ducks) Yes, I am just kind of sick that way. (Real life would gross me out though so yes, I am also a hypocrite.)

3. Creature fic with destined or just needed mates. I adore veela fic to an unbelievable degree!

4. Where dark does not equal evil. Does that count, I've seen it a lot?

5. Ultra/superpowered Harry. It's just so much fun when he flashes his magical muscles. (Yes, I am still on the HP kick, so sue me! lol)

6. Kinda goes along with #5 but "Lord" Harry is fun, when he finds out he has a title either from his parents or from Sirius and becomes "Lord Black"

Maybe they are not all cliches but I love them just the same.

[keiramarcos]

I thought "chan" meant like -- before puberty.

[hab318princess.livejournal.com]

Hates:
1) Torchwood fandom related: Gwen bashing (took me a long time to get the character but just no!), Gwen/Jack... their love is odd but not sexual imho

2) totally with you on the incest (and the daddy kink has to be a kink / scene rather than a relationship for me to read)

3) agree on the girlyfying too... as if being a woman makes you weak

Loves

1) exploration of dynamics -from BDSM to Alpha/Omega to slavery

2) exploration of reaction to a dramatic change in circumstances / relationship (that include well written Mpreg)

[otrame.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't like Gwen bashing either. She's not always the nicest person and she has some (actually interesting) conflicts in her feelings about Jack, but she is not evil or especially petty. Of course, I have never watched S3 or S4 so that may have changed.

This actually inspired me to come out from under my rock.

[hollymurph.livejournal.com]

Hate:
In the HP fandom: the Harry/Ginny pairing. I just can't see it. Especially in the later books. There is just no firm basis for that pairing that I can see, beyond youthful hormones. So how could it possibly last long term? I don't think she even alludes to it happening "off stage" so to speak. I makes the epilogue laughable for me.

In the Star Trek 2009 fandom: Weepy!Kirk. It makes for painful reading and abandoned stories. The moment he becomes OOC enough to start the weeping and wailing drama is the moment I hit the back button. Because he is not weepy. He is Kirk.

Love:
In the HP fandom: Twin fic!(Gen fic, no incest. That can kill it) Go Gred and Forge. If an author can nail the character voices, those are so rare but so much fun.

In the Star Trek 2009 fandom: Genius Kirk! I just love those. After all, he was testing out of classes in canon. The boy is certainly not just a pretty face.

In the Buffy fandom: BAMF!Xander! Because he is. You just don't notice due to all the superheros he's surrounded by.

That was fun.

HM

Re: This actually inspired me to come out from under my rock.

[druidchick.livejournal.com]

oh my yes. BAMF! xander rocks my socks. as do Genius!Kirk and Smart! MAth! john (SGA).

[sarehkert.livejournal.com]

Hate
1. Gender swap. IE GirlKirk, GirlSpock as an example. Really they are male, and if you can't write guy on guy action. Don't cop out and make one of them a girl! Go find a nice hetro couple and write hetro sex!
2. Major hate which goes with No1 bottoms are not girls, and no the bottom doesn't do all the housework, cooking and cleaning. Double Ewww!
3. Yes incest fic, brother on brother, ewww!
4. Mpreg.

Loves
1. Slash :D
2. Was never into D/s or BDSM, this is your fault :D. But must show respect to the submissive and not all about the one with the supposed power.
2. Yes Pon Farr, with clueless Kirk.

[elaiel.livejournal.com]

Genderswap fic really irritates me. I completely agree with your #1

[azurehart.livejournal.com]

Hates:

1. I hate some of the female bashing that occurs in fic. Fine so the author wants to get hot guy A in hot guy B's pants, that does not mean that they have to turn B's girlfriend/wife/sister/third grade teacher into a evil psycho bitch to do it. Really.

2. I totally agree with LH on the magical healing cocks. I like dick as much as the next straight woman, but sex is not the answer for everything. Orgasms are great, but if I've been in a car wreck and someone whips out their dick it's getting blown off (and not in a happy fun sort of way).

3. They're ALL gay Dave. Making every single person in a fic gay. All the canon characters, all the OC's, EVERYONE. I get it, buttsex is wonderful, but please for the continuation of the species, and you know for a little reality, throw in the occasional het couple, or for a change maybe leave a few people single.

4. Constantly referring to characters as, "the blonde", "the redhead", "the boy", etc. We get it, we know what the characters look like, MOVE THE HELL ALONG.

Likes:

1. Guilty pleasure here, but for Harry Potter I adore time travel fics. A chance to fix everything Rowling screwed up. Dobby and Fred live, and for shit and giggles let's either send young Sirius forward to our time, or send Hermione back to the Marauders era and hook those two up.

2. Mpreg. But it has to be "believable" mpreg. Alien tech, magic, mutation, Vulcan Male Auxiliary Uterus; whatever, just make it believable.

3. Not really a cliche but: Strong Female Characters. This isn't as common as it should be, especially since a large portion of fanfic authors are women themselves. I don't want to be the damsel in distress, and I certainly don't want to read about one. I didn't like that shit when I was three and the last 40 years have not changed that opinion.

Going back and reading LH's comments I see we agree on this one, but I'm going to leave it anyway. Maybe if enough people see it in writing they'll change their opinions *sings "we shall overcome"*.

[ladyholder.livejournal.com]

3. Not really a cliche but: Strong Female Characters. This isn't as common as it should be, especially since a large portion of fanfic authors are women themselves. I don't want to be the damsel in distress, and I certainly don't want to read about one. I didn't like that shit when I was three and the last 40 years have not changed that opinion.

Going back and reading LH's comments I see we agree on this one, but I'm going to leave it anyway. Maybe if enough people see it in writing they'll change their opinions *sings "we shall overcome"*.

One can only hope. Because there can't be that many whimpy women in the world. If there were, the GOP wouldn't be this freaked out. Same for the Middle East.

~L

[popkin16]

I agree so hard with your "cliche's I love" #4. I have so many problems with Keller - and even more so with McKeller - that I struggle to get through fics that start with her and Rodney together and end with John/Rodney. Can she just...go away?

Cliches

[myredturtle.livejournal.com]

Ah, we all know the pain of getting halfway through something that looks promising then finding you have serious objections and can't continue. Which is why I love reading other peoples rec lists. Especially if they're clear on what they will and won't read/rec.

Hates:

Most things on the list, also -

1) Time travel fic, where old person goes back in time and starts stalking their old love and practically grooming them from childhood (often found in Harry Potter with Ginny and Hermione, neither of which I particularly like with Harry anyway)

2) Any kind of fic where worryingly stalkery behaviour is somehow rewarded as perseverance.

3) Fic where the characters and situations are so unlike canon that they are unrecognizable. I mean you could change the names and it goes from being John/Rodney, to Jim/Blair

4) Fic that calls itself fanfic and then it devolves into Real Person fic. Not cool.

Loves:

Most things here and

1) in character crack. I've seen authors apologise for writing crack. For purples sake, why?

2) guilty secret - massive power ups in my preferred characters

Cheers
myredturtle

[timespirt.livejournal.com]

What exactly is Pon Farr anyway? Because I have no clue!

[ladyholder.livejournal.com]

Here is a good example...

http://wp.me/pMQf9-7S

Basically it is the every seven year mating cycle of Vulcans. Their bodies and hormones slip the leash of their logical control and well. Lots & lots of sex in fanfic.

~L

[iamaslashaddict.livejournal.com]

Hmmm... let me think.

Hates:

1. I absolutely hate always-a-girl or inserted OC main character fics that are so obviously MarySue!fics that it's just ridiculous. I absolutely despise them! 'nuff said.

2. Crossovers that have way too many fandoms in them. Don't get me wrong, I love me some crossovers, but when you started adding in more than two or three fandoms it becomes a ridiculous crack!fic with delusions of grandeur.

3. Harem!fics. God, this is way too common in the HP fandom with Harry having a harem of women . There is just something so wrong about them that I see red whenever I run across a fic that has it as its premise.

Likes:

1. mPreg - When I first came across this in fandom so many years ago I was shocked and leery, but that quickly changed to "Yes, please... give me some more!" I think it stems from my love of kid!fic and my love of slash, obviously those two things combined together just makes mPreg made of awesome for me.

2. Bashing - I have a few characters from different fandoms that I would happily read bashing fics about all day, every day. Weasley Bashing (I.e. Ron, Ginny mainly), Dumbledore bashing, Bella bashing (absolutely can't stand her!), Keller bashing, Buffy/Willow bashing (not always, but especially fics that deal with the episode "The Zeppo" and how they treated Xander who I absolutely LOVE!!).

3. Crossovers where someone (i.e. Harry, Xander) is betrayed by the ones he thought were his friends (i.e. Weasleys/Hermione/Dumbledore or Buffy/Willow) and leaves (through their own recourse or though some kind of magical means) and meets new friends/lovers who truly love and appreciate them. I especially love these kind of fics that have Harry or Xander paired with my other beloved fandoms characters like Sam & Dean Winchester, Riddick, Edward Cullen, etc. This is a big cliche, but I love it... but it has to be written well of course. Bad writing can make even the most awesome cliche just hum-drum and cringe worthy.

[joya-oscura.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with all your cliche hate. As for point 5 on that list (the SGA fic), I think I know the pairing of that fic. It happens to one of the few fics of that pairing I refuse to read. (The other fic I refuse to read is one where one of the people of the pairing was stripped of his achievements, his own name and made a slave. All of that done because he had the audacity to be human, with all the flaws that entails.)

Fandom Hates:
1. Fics where practically every fandom character has been twisted beyond recognition. (i.e. everyone as abandoned the protagonist for the most ridiculous reasons.) Off the top of my head, I can recall 2 fics that did this: one in the Harry Potter fandom and the other was in the Naruto fandom.

2. Fics that treat serious trauma like it nothing and that someone will easily going to recover from said trauma. (i.e. someone would not recover from the emotional trauma from rape in a day/week.)

3. Character A from Fandom 1 = Character B from Fandom 2: The one I despise the most is John Sheppard = Harry Potter. There is about a 10 year age gap between the 2 characters. If one must do this, can't you at least do it between 2 characters that are the same age.

*There are probably more things I hate, but I usually tried to make myself forget them.

Fandom Annoyances:
1. RPS - These are real people with real lives. They don't deserve to fodder for your imagined romances. (This reason is also why I can't be fandoms like "Generation Kill" & "Band of Brothers" since those are based on real life events..)

2. Crossovers between 2 radically different fandoms - It's one thing when the author makes the time and effort to make the reader believe the 2 fandom are part the same universe. It something else when the author just puts 2 fandoms together without addressing the inconsistencies.

3. Forgetting/Ignoring the existence of a character: This more specific to the Grey's Anatomy (at least for me). Every time I read a fic where something major it going on with/connected to Lexie, authors mention every surgeon Lexie knows yet they never mention the fact that she has a sister named Molly, who would probably like to know if her older sister was in an accident, pregnant or etcetera. I'll still read the fic, but I always end up ranting about this annoyance to myself before continuing reading.

Fandom Loves:
1. Apocalypse fics - I love reading how characters try to survive in a world that has been radically altered.

2. Genius/Smarter Protagonist - I love fics where Harry was more proactive during his school years or fics where Naruto took his ninja studies more seriously.

3. Non-massacre Fics (Naruto fandom) - Itachi is one of my favorite characters in this fandom. So any fic that has it that he was not order by the Hokage (the leader of his village) to kill his clan to prevent a civil war from breaking out are welcome by me.

Former Fandom Dislikes:
1. M-preg: I use to think that this was impossible to pull off believably. Some talent authors in the Harry Potter fandom and surprisingly the SGA fandom changed my mind.

2. Gender-bend (born): I didn't understand the point of pairing 2 characters together if you were going to change the gender of one of them. However, after I started to view the gb!character as separate from the canon!character (i.e. as an original character), I no longer had a problem with it.

[melodysparks.livejournal.com]

I agree with quite a few of your cliches most especially the incompetant Keller that character was so badly written it made my teeth ache. Even my mum doesn't like her from the first episode she had a major part of the story line. (I still blame her for technically pressuring McKay to give the decision to activate Weirs nannites.)

And you vid is super hot. I love it.

I love your work BTW

[internetname.livejournal.com]

Hate:

1. Tentacle sex. Seriously. What can possibly be the appeal of giving the guys weird-ass tentacles coming out of their junk? Ew.

2. Incest, yes.

3. When they're finally going "all the way" and the guy on top keeps asking the guy on the bottom if he's sure. Uh, he's on all fours with his ass in the air begging for it. He's sure, okay?

4. When it turns out everyone in the office has bets on how long it was going to take them to fuck. Especially when they're all cops or some other group where it's not going to be happy times and flowers when two guys start doin' it.

5. When two grown men can't use regular words for their body parts or sex. Possible worst moment in slash ever: Ray Vecchio finally gets some Benny cock and squirms around, saying, "It feels like I gotta make a number two."

Love:

1. "I'm only gay for you." Sorry, yes, I can't help it.

2. Aliens Make Them Do It/Pon Farr/Fuck or Die.

3. When they admit they don't know what they're doing but are willing to give it a try and, hey, does that go there?

4. Sex with mental component (see bonding fic and spirit animals).

5. Girl Scout cookies in love.

[insanityoutlet.livejournal.com]

Have to agree with you on number 5 - "Wafer thin minty bimbo" has to be among the top ten lines ever written in fandom.

[marsandra.livejournal.com]

I agree and there's not much to add.

Hates:
1) completely exagerated abuse fics (Hp fandom is swamped with those). The adult Dursleys are very abusive in canon, you don't have to add much to it at all to make it more obvious (Keira, you did it beautifully, don't get me wrong but a lot of authors don't). Swinging a frying pan, denying Harry his name and using him like a slave who isn't allowed anything of worth or self respect, starving him, the cupboard, the verbal abuse - that's heavy abuse and it should have fucked Harry up majorly. I consider how they treat Duddley nearly as bad. It is more insidious in a way because it is out of 'love'. I don't consider it love, just lazy, to encourage a little boy to be a bully, to eat himself to death. And if his organs don't fail sometime in the future, he will get himself into trouble with his personality. He never learned that bad behaviour has consequences and is, out in the real world, cause for punishment and not cookies.

Related: 2) Dumbledore and people (plus Rowlings) writing him as a harmless old man who loved Harry too much and made some small mistakes and now everyone should mourn him and love him and praise him and... Excuse me while I hurl. He is a headmaster, not a general. He should have had no say in how Harry grew up unless he was named his guardian. He put a watcher near Harry, there is no excuse but bad writing to leave a little boy in that home. There are hundreds of better ways to force that if you must. Ministry who is blind and insists because of death eater influence or what the fuck ever. If they want a saintly Dumbledore they shouldn't make him an abuser and then expect people who actually use their brains to swallow it. Which ties in with another peeve: stupid, no good, blind adults en masse which begins with social services, includes neighbours and teachers and, because I don't want to believe that humanity consists entirely of idiots, leads back to some oh so well meant spell of holy Dumbledore that makes them ignore an abused child as the only explanation.
Uhm, is it bad to get so worked up by a work of fiction?

3) Rape fics. (at the moment one very prominent in the NCIS fandom). It can be well done and not glorify the issue (Xanthe's Two Wolves) but it is not cool to make one character, without adding drugs) force and manipulate another one into having sex and then expect them to have a loving, sane and safe relationship without issues and a lot of psychologists involved. No, nope, niet, nein.

Loves:
1) Good written kid fics where the kid has their own personality and isn't just an accessory or a miniature Mary Sue. I would love to see fics where an adult kid appears and shakes up some perseptions.

2) Growing old fics. There are some really great examples in the Stargate fandom. Not death fics but the pair as old persons, still having a good relationship.

3) May seem as a contradiction to one of my peeves but I love Riddick/Vaako. Well, both are violent badass killers, some violent sex fits them better than John/Rodney.

[insanityoutlet.livejournal.com]

I agree on number 2. It took me over a year to read the first book because I spent too much time teeth clenchingly *ANGRY*

[ladymina.livejournal.com]

I was so totally ready for the supernatural incest cliche rant yesterday...
Seriously what is the allure of Dean/Sam pairings?
Why is it so usual that they have a name for it in the fandom ...wincest ....gah

I admit to a love of evil and manipulative Dumbledore fics, and of stick it to the Weasleys fic, especially the adults though, I will never understand how JKR can justify the kind of obliviousness all canon adults seem to have about Harrys situation and all the danger in the castle
I am also in love with the bdsm verse, yours and Xanthe's version and all the others those sparked ...
Also love fics where Hermione and Harry actually can see through the manipulation done by Dumbles, I found a few very good ones where they stick it to him, one very lovely one I cannot find again, where they actually took half the school from him and made their own way with help of some actually not blind adults

[bookworm-2005.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you about wincest. I have read a few tolerable stories with it, but for the most part it is just....ugh. I was so glad when Castiel appeared, for Dean's sake. Honestly, I have difficulty pairing Sam with anyone: he's so immature in my mind, like he's stuck as a teenager.

[honeybeegrace.livejournal.com]

I agree with almost all the hates/likes above.

Hate
1. Angst/hurt fics in which the main character is abused verbally/physically by everyone around them for 20 chapters, then the others realize they been horrible for whatever
made up reason, apologize and expect the main character to forgive them/get over in 2 chapters.
Along the same theme the whomp fic in which the main character beats up on themselves for no particular reason or to help save everyone with no recognition.hu
2. Incest- never understood the wanting to have sex with your relatives.
3. Rape/torture fics, most of the ones I've seen go into graphic detail about this and spend chapters on it. Then they barely spend anytime on anything that is good for this character, for example a healthy sexual relationship. It barely gets a mention, considering they spent chapters on the bad stuff.
4. Adults having sex with kids. No, just hell no. There is no good reason for this.
5. Having a character introduced to a story/canon and they cause no changes to the story. Why introduce them if the original storyline is told from a different POV. I read fanfic for a different take new story, not for a retelling of the original. The new character is like Vanna White pointing out stuff you already know without making a difference.
6. Song fics--setting a theme or a thought from a line from a song, that is ok. Not when the song interrupts the fic or takes over.
7. Fics when they have characters not named, like the headmistres, entire conversations are had with no names. Or fics in which there are multiple charaxters named Jack/John and you lose track of who is speaking.



Likes
1. Mpreg, I don't know why I like these so much.
2. Time travel, has to change the story though. No reliving the original stuff.
3. Slash fic, love how it tweaks the original and normally gives you more reason to love the original or wish this was canon.
4. I call them the 'fuck you' fics, when the main character tells everyone off and goes to do his own thing. Takes charge and kicks ass.
5. Super!Xander from Buffy or Super!Harry from HarryPotter or Super!tony from NCIS fics.
6. Love the fics that bash Dumbledore or any other idiots that think they know everything.
7. Crossovers

fandom cliches

[mad1zel.livejournal.com]

I agree with on the hate
1-5
I hate john/cam doesnot seems like they should be together
I hate landry

I love

1the bonding or soul mate ones
2get even or revenge
3carter bashing
3the writers who take the time to really write details of
a story which sticks with you.
4love methos/richie in highlander.
5show how smart the charactors can be.
6landry bashing
6crossovers timetravel and atlantis leaves earth stories
7the Big Bang stories
8The twist in the middle or end which makes you go WOW.

Re: fandom cliches

[insanityoutlet.livejournal.com]

Methos/Richie? I don't think I ever saw any of those.

[keiramarcos]

And for that we can blame Bill Clinton. LOL.

I have a friend who SWORE she was not having sex with this guy then followed that up with, "Well, I mean, I've sucked him off a few times but we aren't having sex."

And I looked her and pointed my finger (because I'm southern and we do that) and said, "Look, Bitch, if you make someone else have an orgasm with any part of your body that is SEX!"

[sorka42.livejournal.com]

Hates

1: When a canon character is written to be either evil or an asshole for the sake of plot/conflict and then, for no apparent reason magically has a change of heart and everything is sunshine and roses for everyone involved. Lazy writing or cop-out I don't give a crap what the excuse is. If you have a main or secondary so out of character for the sake of conflict you better have a really fucking good reason for a sudden turn around. I don't care what it is, car accident, was possessed, on some kind of drug and then they are saved, recovering, in treatment. *something* because otherwise its just bad lazy writing.

2: Incest - Gah! just NO. As a Supernatural fan it fucking makes me crazy when I see all the Dean/Sam fic because I *yes* they are both good looking. But EW! No! I could almost see an excuse on Sam's side, being attracted to his older brother or something like that. But Dean would *never*. He practically raised Sam as his own son.

3: RPS - There is a fuck-ton of real person fic in SPN because there are authors that really think the actors are hot,(which they are) but don't want to write incest. But you know what, you are writing about real people not some fictional character. How would you feel if someone where to write about you fucking a friend of yours or some stranger? When I got into fandom I learned one hard and fast rule, no RPS. It was fringe and highly frowned upon. Between Bandom, J2, and god help me *hockey* RPS it's everywhere. :(

Likes

1: Character bashing where the author doesn't even have to distort said bashed character in any way. Ron, Buffy, Willow, Keller, Sam or John Winchester

2: Pushy demanding bottom fics. BAMF characters that are demanding and pushy in bed.

3: Romantic hard R/fade to black fics. I don't always have to see the action to know what happened, and sometimes having them wake up in bed together for morning intimacy. When it is well done, it makes me very happy.

4: Wing!fic - Give them wings through magic or tech or genetics. I'm a happy person. The SGA fics with John getting wings are always great. But the angels of SPN actually have wings in canon and I LOVE IT.

[keiramarcos]

The incest in the Supernatural fandom is so... well frankly because of it I've never watched the show and I'll never write in that fandom. I can't stomach to even browse fics in that fandom that aren't Wincest because I feel like the incest has dirtied up the entire fandom.

[tamstercmt.livejournal.com]

--- Some people should just not be paired in my world. I like Snape/Harry if it's a family fic but sexual? Won't read it. Just ewww.

--- I hate SG1 fics where Daniel is whiny and needs Jack to save the day.

--- People need to learn the difference between submissive and bottom. As far as who tops or bottoms, I like it when certain pairs who you normally see a certain way reverse things. Equal opportunity works for me too.

--- I agree with you about Jennifer Keller. I like how you wrote her in WMHB, but for the most part I just don't get her character.

---- I like Abby bashing fics. Some episodes of NCIS she works on my last nerve. Especially after the dog attacking McGee episode. I have no problem with being eccentric (since I am) but when you have a brilliant woman act like a 12 year old it annoys me.

--- Jen bashing works too.

--- I love all the pairing you do. They work so well (of course). I've been reading NCIS a lot so I like to see Gibbs paired with Tony or McGee. Other slash pairings just don't do it for me. Pairing Ducky up with anyone other than someone closer to his age is just wrong, IMHO.

I'm sure I'll come up with more. After I have more coffee.

[elfgirl.livejournal.com]

Hates:

Masochist = Submissive = Humiliation-kink: All masochists are not submissives and the majority of submissives DO NOT LIKE humiliation.

Genderswap: It always reads to me like a "fix" for people who want to pair characters but don't like same-sex pairings.

Baffled By:

Knotting fics: WHAT. Has incest become so normative we've moved on to pseudo-beastiality? I can't say I hate it, having never read it, but just seeing the tag on AO3 squicks me bad.

Loves: Bonding/Soul Mates; Emotionally complex stories/characters (although really this just comes out of good writing most of the time)...many others but it's early and I'm not braining well.

[insanityoutlet.livejournal.com]

Humiliation has never made any sense to me. I may like pain with sex, but slap me across the face and call me a slut and I'm going to remove your genitals. Too many authors do not bother with any research into BDSM - they just tie em up and fuck em.

Knotting - You have to be very careful, but get some recs from people you trust on the Alpha/Omega front. There is a lot of seriously badfic, but because it also includes a heavy Bonding/SoulMate theme, and Bonding is always good, the cliche is worth exploring a wee bit.

[insanityoutlet.livejournal.com]

There are a few I hate, but I have one or two that drive me insane.

"The Incredible Shrinking Blair Syndrome":
( - Huge Cock Syndrome also seemed to go with that one. Jim's cock had to be 22 inches long by the time I finally ran screaming from TS fandom.)
- this one started showing up in Sentinel fic, and it just caught fire. Not only does poor Blair cry like a 12 year old with her first crush, but he's *tiny* - sit on the palm of Jim's hand tiny. We learned to avoid these, and then it started to spread. I saw it a HP fic not that long ago, and it damned near made me cry. I'm waiting for it to appear in Hawaii 5-0, because everyone knows that "Short" and "fae like" are the same.
and speaking thereof

"Fae Fic":
- Okay, I get it, John has pointy ears, but anyone old enough to have been into Pros just got so thoroughly, completely sick of Doyle-as-an-elf fic, we've just turned off the cliche completely.

"Canadian" Fic:
- If your character is from Canada, and you want to include information about Canada - ask a damned Canadian. People "Britpic" all the time (Thank you Sherlock)- but Canada is fair game. I actually read a story where 4 year old Rodneykins left his family home in Scarborough and went to Beavers - in *Northern Fucking Alberta*.

Chan
- it kinda worked, sorta kinda, if you squint, in TPM, because come on JEDI. 11 year old Harry Potter is incapable of giving informed consent to brushing his teeth.

Always a girl:
(not the experiments or crack - the serious ones written by Het/Gen authors)
- you read and enjoy slash; get over it.

(one personal one - nothing puts me off faster than the word FLASHBACK in bold print. It's not a script - write it so I know he's remembering something, not on the floor suffering from PTSD)

Ones I love:

Bonding Fic.
-Pon Far, Alpha/Omega, Sentinel, Alien Soul Bonds, Veela, Vampires - take your pic! There can never be too much Bonding.

Time Travel: I'm looking forward to the rest of Keira's HP

Carter/Keller/Ginny Bashing:
- I never liked the character of Samantha Carter. Aside from the fact that much of her behaviour on SG1 would have gotten her a ticket out, the alternating "I'm a wimp/bitch~I'm a Scientist~I'm an Officer~I'm perfect" sanctimonious shit just got old.
I also love Keller bashing; as much as I loved Kaylee, Mckay/Keller was just creepy. You can also bash the Weasleys like it's a game of wack-a-mole and I'm happy.

BAMF:
- oh look, the character has a spine - YIPEE! OOOOH Xander has a spine and a left hook? Awesome (please finish the damned Xander/Riddick fic)

Orphan parings, and Strange Parings if the Author Makes Them Work:
- the small but devoted fandoms. From Spock/McCoy to Neroon/Marcus to Lestrade/Mycroft to Bruce/Tony... I love 'em.
Strange Parings ..... Xander/Riddick, Mycroft/John, Garibaldi/Lennier to name a few. I even once read a Snape/Ron that *worked*

[keiramarcos]

I love Bruce/Tony.

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Pet Peeve: there is a trend in NCIS fic where someone shipping Gibbs/Tony decides they need to demonize McGee just to highlight how good/how much better Tony is. Now I will admit McGee is not perfect but neither is Tony. Much of the time they have a brother like relationship and are mean to each other, tease each other, and occasionally come off in canon as having a love/hate relationship much like some brothers I know.

However I might dare to read some Gibbs/Tony (other than Xanthe's - the only author I've dared to read when it comes to that pairing) if I could be guaranteed there wasn't gratuitous McGee bashing within. This because I happen to really like him.

[the_proofreader]

All my NCIS fics are Gibbs/Tony pairing but are McGee-bashing safe. I'm not fond of what the show's writers have done to Ziva (turned her into the ultimate MarySue), but I tend to compensate for that by not making her a main character. I do have one story (What Friends Are For) which has McGee being that brother/friend/colleague to Tony that he's meant to be on the show.

[soulessamazon.livejournal.com]

HATE:
1: GENDERSWAP!!!! *flails* I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. The characters are that way for a reason! omg. Just because you want to pair Kirk and Spock together is no reason for turning Kirk into a girl! If you don't want to write gay porn, don't write the pairing!
2: True AU. Ie, writing the Star Trek cast as owning a bakery. I can't get behind it. I feel like the names should be changed and it should just be a damn original story. It is a cop out of people too afraid to label a story "original".
3: RPF. I'm sorry. I can't do it.

Love:
1: Crossdressing. Seriously. Believable crossdressing? Makes me hot.
2: "Fix-it" Like Phil. Seriously. I will happily read fix-its for that. Because it shouldn't have happened!
3: Soul bonding. I like it. It makes me happy. Either by destined mates, or Sentinel/Guide, or Creature. I just love it. I like happy endings (sometimes)
4: That fic that just PUNCHES you in the gut as you sit there weeping for 20 min after you finish it. Then, you go back and read it AGAIN

[insanityoutlet.livejournal.com]

Is it my imagination or has RPF made a raging comeback?

I just seem to be seeing so much of it of late. I do not do RPF (okay, when watching Mythbuster I sometimes have to repeat that over and over again like a Mantra, but still) - and yet every time I go to AO3 of late, there it is.